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2003-Sep-22: Heather's Interview with Larry King

During an hour-long interview on CNN's Larry King show, Heather Mills McCartney talked about the baby (due on November 14) , Sir Paul's scuffle at the David Blaine site last week, Sir Paul's first wife, Linda, artificial limbs, and Stella's wedding. She even expressed an opinion about the Ben Affleck-Jennifer Lopez breakup. Sir Paul and Heather are in Los Angeles to host a big benefit gala on behalf of Adopt-A-Minefield. Heather was dressed in a bright green T-shirt with the words "Thank You" written across the front. Why? Heather explained:

" It's to thank everybody. Since the last show, we've had a lot of donations. It was a great show to do....Yes, because last time it was "No More Land Mines." Therefore, I just did a very positive statement. We've cleared 15 million square meters of land. It benefited 366,000 people over the last four years, and about half of that has happened in the last year ... So it's a big "thank you" to everybody."

The last time Heather was interviewed by Larry King, she told him that there was almost no chance that she could get pregnant. Heather says:

"I know a miracle. Because I'd had two ectopic pregnancies, when they tied the tubes, one right after the other. Fifteen years ago, when I was married. And, basically, I had all this kind of surgery, scar tissue. A lot of women will understand who have had ectopic pregnancies. Normally, they take your tubes away. And I said, "You're not taking my tubes." He said, "Well, it's dangerous, but they could be badly damaged and you won't be able to have children. So I put that to one side, and I though, just one day. And then it just -- I didn't worry about it."

Did Sir Paul know that Heather might not be able to have children?

"I told him within a week of us dating, you know, I'm very open. If you're not interested, then off you go. But, basically, it was just a miracle within eight months of our marriage I suddenly found out that I was pregnant. And the biggest worry was it going to be a third ectopic. Because normally you don't get to the point of three.... And we went there and it was just in the right place doing the right thing. And it seems to be a healthy baby."

How did she tell Sir Paul that they were going to have a baby?

"I went and -- the day I was meant to go into the hospital for some tests, general tests, I didn't have my monthly cycle. So I went upstairs and he was in a meeting. And I kept walking in and out of the meeting, because I had done the test and it was positive. And he kept looking at me, think, 'She's just not normally like this.' And I was going are you finished yet? Are you finished yet? And then he came out and I showed him the test and he just went, 'Oh!' and we both started crying and it was just a miracle."

Are the McCartney children excited about having a new brother or sister?

"Very, yes."

Do they know if the baby know if the baby is a boy or a girl?

" Me and Paul, but nobody else. We know... We know what it is and we know the name. Because I don't like calling it 'it' every day. And with modern technology, you have to kind of turn away from the scan so you don't see what the sex is. And I think any baby you have is going to be a huge surprise. So we're not going to sort of spoil it for ourselves. But we just decided one little secret, because if the rest of the world knows what we're going to have... We both know and we know the name. We know everything. But we ain't going to tell you, Larry."

In conversation Heather sometimes refers to the baby as "he" and other times "she". She will say that the baby is healthy:

"Very healthy. And it's bigger than it should be. And the strange thing is, because I'm all sort of up front package, all the girlfriends that are pregnant at the moment are saying, 'Yes, but you're so tiny.' So I went for a scan recently and they said it's actually a pound and a half bigger than it should be at the moment. And I said, 'Well, why is it?' because I've only got eight weeks left."

The baby will be born on November 14.

" I've got to have a cesarean because I had a metal plate after losing my leg in the accident put in my pelvis. So the baby would be like, 'Let me out of here.' So I've got to have a cesarean, but at least I know -- a few girlfriends of mine have had births lately, and they went through like three or four days of labor and had to have a cesarean anyway. So at least I know. It's going to be elective."

Is Heather frightened about the surgery?

" I've had a cesarean already to put the metal plate in. I've had, you know, my leg chopped off. I've had... It's nothing. I'll just get the music right and..."

Do the doctors have any concerns about the birth?

" No, nothing at all. No.... Nothing. We've got it all sorted out... I mean, I have the usual thing, where you can have a different blood group from your partner and you have to have all these anti-D injections and things like that. But apart from that, nothing."

What about her age?

" I don't mind my age. I'm always happy. I'm 35, nearly 36.... Perfect. It's all about being healthy, because I've had some friends that put on like four and half stone. I don't know if you do it in pounds or stones. I think pounds....And they've had little 5-pound babies. And I've had other friends that have just put on, you know, a minimal amount. And they've had big, healthy babies. So it's about the nutrition and the quality of the food you eat rather than eating for two. I mean, I eat really healthily. But all my friends that have eaten for two regret it later, because they've got to lose these extra three stones."

In her autobiography, Heather admits that she comes from quite a dysfunctional family. Does she fear any hereditary problems with the baby?

" Not really. I think with good guidance -- I think you are born with the genetics you have, but then, you know, I was born with my genetics and I had pretty crazy parents. But I think I've turned out OK. So with good guidance, I think -- you know you can only do the best. I think parenting is improvisation. You can only do the best you can possibly do. And I'm not a worrier about anything. And I think if you are worry, then you just make your child worry. And I've -- we've got some clear set rules that, you know, we are a team, and there is no making one partner, father against mother, clear off."

What about all the rumors that claim that she was pregnant in the first month she was married?

" Just, I laughed about it, really. I mean, obviously, my family would have been upset. Yes. I mean, they knew that it was virtually impossible at that time for me to become pregnant. And I did an interview with a guy called Michael Parkinson, and that was filmed months before I became pregnant. So I had said on that show, you know, 'There's no chance of me getting pregnant.' And within two weeks it was announced that I was pregnant. So he was like, hang on, did she know on that show that it was prerecorded?"

But Michael Parkinson didn't mind.

" No, he didn't."

After the commercial break, Larry King showed a video clip from Heather's last appearance on his program, when she removed her artificial leg and showed it to him. The clip was also shown on the Emmy Award program last evening.

" I heard. I mean, for us, it was fantastic, because the response we got from the American public and then the world, because you go out all over the world...they said, 'I want a leg like that.' And people have been asking for a leg like mine for so many years. And I kept trying to do it through charities, through this, through that. But, you know, the person who makes it, it's his business. So eventually I said, 'Well, OK, I'll put my name to it as long as you make it available over the Internet.' Any amputees that want one should contact their prosthetist, which is a term of limb fitter, and just get on the Web site and look up my and they'll be able to get one. And it's only $2,500, where as the basic limbs over here, they're like $10,000."

What was the cost of her leg - the one she was wearing on the show?

" Well, in England, you get them on the National Health Service, so...:, and you can get all the information on how to get a limb and like that. And it's totally life changing, you know. The first one... This is the leg. This is the off-the-shelf one. I thought I won't shock you by pulling mine off again. And this is a $10,000 American leg. Now, the woman that gave me...$10,000... And this is $2,500 for the foot and the cover. And then your own prosthetist has to make the socket and the shin, because everybody's limb is different shapes. You have to supply them ready made like that."

Why is there such a dramatic difference in price?

"Because there is no control of the pricing over here. And so what I've done is I agreed that they can use my name to market and sell these limbs as long as they had a price limit on it. Because, otherwise, what would happen is I'd let them use my name and they'd just sell them for $20,000. Because, in comparison to this one, it's beautiful."

The leg isn't called "Heather Mills McCartney". The brand name is "Cosmesis. Do they make legs for men, too?

"Yes. Men, hair, freckles, the lot."

And children?

" Off the shelf. Children, everything. Off the shelf."

People of all ages?

"Yes. And you don't have to fly to England. You can just get them through the Internet... Look at that. Look at the size of that socket. This woman that I met, Loretta, and I had to counsel in Chicago, she came in in a wheelchair with these two legs on crying her eyes out. And I walk on with that leg on. She said, 'All I want is a comfortable leg" -- which is the most important thing -- "and something that looks real.' And her husband said -- her husband was called Wally -- she's got two kids, she lost both legs, a hand and some fingers. And he just said, you know, 'I want my wife back. She's just totally depressed.' And it's not being vain wearing something that looks real like this. You don't like looking at your leg and having that reminder every day that you can't wear your skirt, that you can't feel feminine, that you can't feel normal because everyone is looking at you every two minutes. And on top of that, the socket was so uncomfortable, she couldn't walk on them. So she luckily was in a financial situation where she flew to England... a prosthetist made them up. But hundreds of thousands of people in America can't afford to go and fly to England and get it made. So I just pushed, pushed, pushed. And now they can get them in America."

Does she sleep with it?

" No, I don't."

Do some people sleep with it?

" I've never heard of anybody sleep with it, because, you know -- especially if you're with a partner. You'd knock him out. They're pretty heavy... it's a quick on and off. And they can sort of pop it in. I tend to sort of crawl on my knees to go to the toilet at night."

Has there been any difficulty wearing it while being pregnant?

" For me, no. But generally, yes, because people put weight on, water retention fluid. But I've been going to the gym, doing my Pilates, doing my exercises"

Has she not gained weight?

"Yes, but only on the tummy. So I haven't got fluid weight. And I have a residual limb. The reason you get problems with your legs is because of shrinking and expansion of residual limb."

How did Heather lose her leg?

"August '93, so that's 10 years ago. I was crossing the street. In London. I had just got back from a war zone where I had been for two years and ironically didn't lose my leg... In the former Yugoslavia just helping with refugees and AIDS and things like that. Crossed the street and a police motorcycle came from behind a bus, chopped my leg off, crushed my pelvis, punctured my lung, split my head open. And then the ambulance came, took the policeman off. And then an hour or so later he had a sprained wrist -- so it was obviously a priority."

They treated the policeman before Heather?

" I know, it's mad. And I got to the hospital and they announced to my sister about four times that I was going to die. And my mother had lost her leg at the same age as me in the same place. It was all very crazy for my sister to see. And I survived, obviously, to tell the tale. And that's when I found out about collecting prosthetics to help in the former Yugoslavia. But now I try and make countries self sufficient. It was local..."

It didn't happen in a minefield?

" No, I know. I was down working near mines and with snipers, but not a scratch. It's all meant to be. I wouldn't have achieved as much for the charity Adopt-A-Minefield if that hadn't happened."

Does she remember the accident?

"I remember when I got to the hospital because they couldn't give me any painkillers because my lung was punctured. So it slows your system down. And if they give you painkillers, then it could kill you before...I just remember seeing the bike and that was it.... You've got to enjoy every minute. And make a difference while you're here."

How has it been being married to Paul McCartney?

"Great, really great."

Any surprises?

" How tidy he is... Yes. He cleans up before the cleaner comes. So I said for a while that's crazy, but what's good is if I cook the dinner, he'll clean everything up and he's very hands on."

Is he punctual?

" He wasn't; he is now. He's always late, yes. I'm very punctual. But he's made me more laid back. So sometimes if we're on holiday and we don't have to be there absolutely on time somewhere -- so he's sort of slowed me down. And I've speeded him up a little bit."

Is Sir Paul a thoughtful husband?

" Yes, very, very romantic, very thoughtful."

Does he surprise Heather with gifts?

"Yes, but like everything's not -- you know when you've got money, you can usually just send out for jewelry and cars and all that kind of stuff. He'll like go into the florist and make me up a grass bracelet, you know, and just collect feathers, all that kind of stuff. Romantic, thoughtful things. Time-consuming things."

Are there many memories of Linda around the house?

"We don't live in any of the houses where they..."

Does it bother Heather when Sir Paul talks about his love for Linda?

"No because -- no, not at all, because it just shows how truly romantic and loving he is. And she helped make him -- I think all women mold men. So I think she helped make him into a wonderful guy."

What is it like to watch Sir Paul work?

"Well, I tend not to go along to studios. So when he's at home singing, we don't consider it work. But he's working on some music at the moment, and I cry a lot because I'm just so moved by it and probably hormonal from the baby."

What about his concerts?

" I just feel really proud, you know, that he's doing something like that and making such a difference. I'm a little bit laid back in the sense that no kind of pop singers, rock stars make me go,'oh!'"

So, Heather is not a groupie?

"No, I'm not. And I think that's why we got on so well. And I'm more into sort of politics and things like that that impress me, the life-changing things. But music is life changing. But, no, it's all about how he is as a person. I love the lyrics because they..."

What is Sir Paul's magic?

"Well, I don't know if I can tell you that, Larry... I think just being himself, being natural, communicating, talking, and... he loves it. He really loves it."

Does Heather worry about him?

"No, because he's got a great balance. He's at a stage in his life where he'll just start work at mid day and finish at 6:00, you know? He won't do any hours before or after. And what I really admire about him is that he's very into quality of relationship. You know, relationships in the past have been, you know, if 'you've got to keep working, you carry on to 7:00, 8:00, 9:00. And that's how relationships can fail. He's very much, "At 6:00, guys, I'm off. My wife's got the dinner on.' And he's home. He's never keeping me hanging around with a cold plate of dinner that I'm going to feed to the dogs."

How was Stella's wedding?

" It was amazing. It was beautiful. She looked fantastic."

And Stella's husband?

" He is a darling. He's a catch. He's a real catch."

What is Stella like?

" She's lovely. Very nice, very clever, good designer."

How did Sir Paul behave at the wedding?

"Very proud, yes... I'm not giving you any intimate details, because... It was so quiet. No one got a picture, no one got anything. It was in Scotland, which everybody knows. I just talk about what everyone knows. And it was just one of those perfect, perfect weekends... beautiful sunshine in Scotland."

Why where the tabloids so interested in wedding?

"Because you're connected in some way. And they've created this whole obsession with looking into people's lives. And it's part and parcel of being known. But there isn't a line. That's the problem. They don't seem to draw the line. They've backed up a bit because I'm pregnant. I don't think they want to be responsible for me having a miscarriage or something. But I'm sure it will fire up again post-baby."

Does Heather thing she deserved it?

" For the first two years I did. I was shocked because I was really hurt by a lot of things and surprised by a lot of people that you only met once or twice in your life and wanted to make money out of knowing you. So it made me realize I was quite naive about how cruel people can be. But since then, I've got to a point where I don't care. I don't read it anymore. I don't watch it. I don't allow any of my friends to tell me about it. If they start to say, 'Oh, I read in the paper the other day...' I say, no, I don't read it. So let's talk about something more meaningful in life. And the good side of it is that, you know, had I not met Paul and fallen madly in love, I wouldn't have met some of these heads of state that have helped make a huge difference to the charity. So it's all fate. We truly think that we were meant to be put together not just for ourselves but for a greater cause."

Has the press been tough on Heather?

"Apparently very tough on me. The first couple of years was very, very tough. But I haven't read it for the last couple of years....But the public aren't stupid. You know any time I do a show, that is the response of the true reaction....They knew me for eight years before I met Paul. I was always in the press. So I wasn't one of these unlucky people that just sort of came into the limelight and suddenly nasty things were being written. You know most people had read my autobiography, which was written 10 years ago for charity. So the public aren't stupid. But they presume that because there are so many Beatles fans, Paul fans, that everyone is going to kind of hate me, you know? But I've got such a huge respectful and dedicated following of people that just want to make a difference. And they shout in the street, 'You ignore those.' You know? And so it's very supportive. So it's only a small group of journalists."

How does Sir Paul deal with it?

" He's very good because he's used to it for 30 years. And he gets his fair share, yes. And the press still have a go at him now. But what happens is people say, 'Oh, Paul never gets any bad press'. But he does get a lot of bad press and made up stuff. And recently, on the front pages of English papers, he went to -- out for a boys' night out. And they made this whole story up about him punching a photographer and using swear words and this and that. And when it came out in the morning, they were standing outside our house. He came out and he just said, 'Look, it's all rubbish. You know, I haven't fired my PR guy. What are you talking about?' And he did all his usual and all this. And then he went like this, and what they did was they cropped him like this to make him look like -- and just when he's going like this, he goes -- and then they crop him and it looks like he's giving this angry face.

" Well, what it was, it was I having a girls' night out. So he's on Stag 15 , we call it now. And they had magicians at his evening. So he said let's go and see David Blaine. So he popped down to see David Blaine. And they stood miles away. And his press guy stupidly told the press that he was over there. And he didn't know anything about it, and he saw the press coming towards him. And his press guy didn't mean any harm, but it was a bit naive. And so he ran after the car. And the paparazzi are chasing after him. Now, we had been followed for six, seven hours every day. The last thing we wanted was on his night out to have any press around. So he just said, 'No, I don't have anything to say. So the next day it was Paul 's punch-up drama. And it was..."

No one was hit?

" No, nothing. His people tried to stop the paparazzi, but Paul just got in his car and went. But it was front- page headlines two days later. I mean, what does that say about the state of the world with all the wars and all the terror that's going on and the good deeds being done? They want to talk about -- front page -- I mean, it's scary."

So did Sir Paul ever see David Blaine?

"He said he was fast asleep in his sleeping bag 30 feet up. You've got to go in the daytime...Well, it's only 44 days. I don't think it's such a big deal. I know people that go on fasts for 30 days and work. Yes. Well, you can live as long as that with water. But they make it into a big dramatic thing."

When the baby arrives, how much press are they going to allow?

" Basically, my thoughts are always none. And Paul --always -- and Paul's more clever and knowledgeable in that area. So he always -- we'll do one picture, one announcement, then we'll go away. And it tends to work. We sort of -- they stop following us around."

Will we see a picture of the baby?

"Possibly. We're still discussing it."

The press will be at the hospital on November 14.

" Yes. They'll all be there. But I'm saying whether we give the picture or not -- what we normally do is, for the wedding, we gave a picture and the money went to charity, one picture. And for the engagement we gave one picture. And for the announcement of -- and for the marriage we gave one picture. So we'll see. We're still talking about it at the moment."

Have they been contacted by magazines?

"Oh, millions. Not interested. Not interested...Millions, yes."

So why not accept and give the money to the minefields charity?

" Because there's got to be a limit. You know my -- seven days in my -- well, six days in my week are at work for free and give everything to minefields. There are some things I just want to keep for myself. And I think as soon as you start doing that -- I understand why some celebrity couples sell pictures of their wedding and all that kind of stuff, but I think once you start dealing with the devil -- it's fine when you're like on your way up in celebrity and you need the exposure and you need all that kind of stuff. But the position that Paul's in at the moment, you know, it's silly. You know, you saw what happened with some of the celebrity couples. You know, they get into fights about who has the rights of the pictures. And I just don't want to go there."

What does Heather think about the Ben Affleck-Jennifer Lopez breakup.?

"I feel sorry for them. I think it's disgusting that they've done everything -- the stalkerazzi have done everything possible to try and ruin their relationship. And everyone knows in life that a relationship is so hard anyway. But can you imagine just like paparazzi having photographers through your shower room? Pedophiles get more protection."

Tomorrow night, 900 people will be present at the third annual fund-raiser for Adopt-A-Minefield. Sir Paul and James Taylor will perform at the event. What does Adopt-A-Minefield do?

" We're basically an organization under the United Nations Association. So we're linked with the United Nations. And we find countries that need mines cleared . We hire the most professional and reasonably priced de-miners ...local, given local employment. And then we supply survivor assistance. So we supply limbs that are relevant to that country, because you know if you're in a third world country, or if you're in Cambodia, for instance, you've got to work in the rice paddy fields. It's no good having a cosmetic leg like mine. You need something that you can move around freely in. So we're generally making legs for around $50 a piece. So that can actually make someone walk again."

All the money raised goes to these efforts?

"One hundred percent. We're one of the few charities that 100 percent of their donations goes to clear minefields and survivor assistance. And we get funded for the people that work in the offices separately from the State Department and other private corporations."

Planing minefields is a cowardly act?

"It's disgusting, yes. It's the most cowardice thing that you can possibly do."

How many minefields exist?

"Millions. They estimate between 60 and 70 million. But the positive news is that we've cleared 15 million square meters of land....And we've got a few more million under way. We've benefited 366,000 people since we started four years ago. And we've -- 11 million of that is battlefield area, which is a lot quicker and easier to clear. And five million -- it's nearly up to 16 million -- five million is humanitarian de-mining, which is a very slow, long process. At the moment, you've got places like Chechnya, where the rebels actually make mines that look like cigarette packets or condensed milk. So that a young boy will see a can, he'll just click it and he'll lose his leg. So we're doing a lot of education things.

"It's all battlefield areas where there's been a war area and then it's moved on. Or un-mapped and unmarked areas where you don't know that they've been laid to try to control everything. So it's very scary. But we're focusing now -- it's why I've got this 'Thank You' on, as I said before."

There are still minefields around from World War II.

"Yes, absolutely. They're still back all the way to Alamein. It's amazing."

Has Heather ever been to a de-minization ?

"Oh, lots of times, yes."

Isn't it dangerous?

"Well, you're protected, you have head gear. It's very well organized. And you step right back. But I worked on the front line in a war zone in the former Yugoslavia for two years where there were mines everywhere that weren't marked. So I believe when you're going to go you're going to go. But I'd like to help protect the innocent women and children as long as possible.

"And people have got no idea. Once you clear the minefield area, it's not just about safety. You can then farm and the people can become independent and self sufficient and bring livestock back to the community."

For more information, one can go to Heather's web sites.

" Or it's on land mines -- specifically go to for Adopt-A-Minefield. And they can read about night of a thousand dinners for November, where you can just have a dinner."

That event takes place on November 6 - just a few days before the baby arrives.

"But I can eat. I can sit and have a dinner."

There will be dinners all over the world?

"Yes. And you can do anything. You can have a pizza and invite your friends and charge them extra for the pizza. And then make a donation, because all those hundreds of thousands of people are making little donations.... You can look at if you want some meal suggestions from countries where we clear minefields to give you recipe ideas so you really feel like you're getting into the mood of it and so you're relating to countries that you're helping clear minefields in. So you can make it a real fun evening. You can have a Cambodia evening or a Vietnamese evening."

How is Heather publicizing the event?

"You have -- I mean, that's why I do shows like yours, where you care about the subject. It's very difficult, because you have to really pick and choose which shows you do, because otherwise it becomes one percent on the issue, which is the most important thing, and 99 percent on everything else. So this helps us a lot, this last show, Larry, so that's why it's a big thank you."

Why is it being held on November 6?

" Oh, it's near the land mine treaty signing. It moves around a little bit."

Can one call Heather Lady McCartney?

" I never use that title. I am a lady as a person, but I never use that title. It makes me laugh."

Larry King displayed a letter Heather received from President Bush saying that there is a landmine study under way and that he wishes to emphasize the need to avoid injury to noncombatants. Heather has also received a personal letter from Vladimir Putin in which he expresses his interest in the problem.

"Yes, very passionate about it. I mean, obviously, they are the biggest manufacturer of landmines in the world." Nobody is against it, but nobody wants to be dictated to. And this is what we have to be aware of. You know many countries have signed -- I think 236 countries signed the land mine treaty. Places like India and Iraq and Burma and Russia have not."

Did she speak to President Putin about it while she was in Russia?

"Never would have gotten to meet him had it not have been for Paul doing his concert in Red Square. But when we got there, we had five minutes of the usual music chat and then moved straight into landmines. And I was surprised that he knew everything about me. I was like, oh my God, he was head of KGB, what's he going to know? But he was very, very much behind it. He said things like -- which is why I was so pleased when he followed up within three days with a long, detailed letter. He said, 'I don't see things in vain. I promise you this.' He's really, really working towards a mine land treaty ban, where as we don't get that response from Bush at all. It's like, we will try not to hurt noncombatants."

Is Heather disappointed in the United States?

"Very disappointed in the sense of not signing the ban treaty, because they have far less reasons not to sign than Russia. You know Russia has the biggest borders in the world and they have to secure them, at the moment, with mines. They could use other methods, but it's a very long, slow process. So I'm working with President Putin, trying to come up with solutions rather than dictate, you must join this..."

Why hasn't the United States signed the treaty?

"The United States hasn't signed because they want to hold back. They use the excuse of the ...because they use mines to actually protect that divide. But when you think of Russia's borders compared to that divide and the alternative methods we could use, you know to protect Mexico...I don't know if you like them, but there are other solutions. And they're just not coming up with using any of them."

Has Heather discussed the issue with Colin Powell?

"Yes. Colin Powell was the first person who -- and he's very much behind stopping the use of mines. But he's not the top dog. You know he can't make the final decision. And that's what we're pushing for. And my whole thing with Mr. Putin is coming up with solutions that are going to move the issue forward. You know, finding out where they have basically got their mines laid down. So we could ask the maps, we could talk about how we can move forward to make the civilians more safe. But their internal problem is the drug trafficking, international terrorism. You've got to look at all the problems within that country individually, because every country is unique. Otherwise, if you say, well, it's inhumane and you should just ban it and that's it, you're not going to move forward with these particular countries. And we haven't moved forward. I mean, this is the first kind of in-depth contact that anybody's ever had with Russia. And that's all because we went to Russia and had this kind of response. And, I must say, I think Vladimir Putin is a fantastic man."

Did Heather get her inspiration from Princess Diana?

" No, I didn't... She did an amazing job. And she was a big celebrity like Paul. But I've been involved in it for 12 years now. So I was five years in before she ever started to get involved. But she had a massive effect. It made everybody think. And it made a lot of countries sign that wouldn't necessarily have signed. So it's about using your celebrity as much as possible, which is what Paul does. And I'm more behind the scenes, getting on with the day-to-day running of it."

Does Heather think we will see the end of the use of landmines?

" I think so, yes. In my lifetime I think you will. Yes, if I have anything to do with it. But the most important thing now is about mine clearings and helping countries that have signed stick to the rules by funding them for mine clearings. Because there are a lot of rules about it and about stockpile. Russia, in the last few years, has actually gotten rid of seven million mines stockpiled. So they are moving forward."

Do we know how many people have been injured by land mines?

" Entire life that we can look back on, you know, millions and millions. You know every 20 minutes somebody is maimed or killed by a land mine. Every 20 minutes, yes, someone is maimed or killed. And 80 percent of them are civilians, women, men and children. And that's what's scary."

Is Heather modeling anymore?

"No. I did a campaign a year ago for Inc. And that raised a lot of money. But..."

Always for charity.

" Always, yes."


(kindly submitted by PLUGGED correspondent Joan M. Hopkins)


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